Junior College Football with Trever McFalls at Snow College

Summary
Coach Trever McFalls shares his journey from high school to college football, including his recruiting experience and decision to attend Southern Utah University. He discusses the challenges of starting the recruiting process late and the importance of sending out film early. Coach McFalls also talks about his transition from playing to coaching, his time at Utah State, and his current role at Snow College. He highlights the differences in recruiting at different levels and the importance of graphics in the recruiting process. In this part of the conversation, Funaki Asisi discusses the different options for high school athletes looking to play college football, including choosing between Division 2, Division 3, and Junior College. He emphasizes the importance of Junior College in player development and the opportunities it provides for athletes to improve their skills and gain exposure. Funaki also reviews the recruitment process at Snow College and highlights several standout players from their recent recruiting class, including Viliami Fifita, Damien Nelson, Mataira Brown, Daeqwan Snider, and Damien Otukolu. In this conversation, the guest shares advice and insights for recruits going through the college football recruiting process. He emphasizes the importance of patience and finding what you truly want out of the experience. The guest also highlights the need to take control of your own future and dedicate yourself to achieving your goals. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the level of commitment required to pursue a career in football.

Takeaways

• When choosing between Division 2, Division 3, and Junior College, athletes should consider factors such as scholarship offers, financial support, and long-term goals.
• Junior College can be a valuable stepping stone for athletes looking to improve their skills and gain exposure before transferring to a four-year institution.
• The recruitment process at Snow College focuses on finding athletes with potential and a strong work ethic, regardless of their current skill level.
• Standout players from Snow College's recent recruiting class include Viliami Fifita, Damien Nelson, Mataira Brown, Daeqwan Snider, and Damien Otukolu. Be patient and find what you truly want out of the college football recruiting process.
• Take control of your own future and handle the recruiting process with determination.
• Seek out information and guidance to understand what it takes to play high-level football.
• Dedicate yourself fully to your goals and be willing to make sacrifices.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Excitement
02:03 High School Recruiting Experience
05:26 Choosing Southern Utah University
07:24 The Recruiting Process and Celebrating Signings
09:13 Starting Late in the Recruiting Process
10:38 Transitioning to College and Position Changes
16:51 Coaching Career Begins at Juan Diego High School
20:41 Moving to Snow College and Coaching Tight Ends
25:57 Transitioning to Director of Football Operations
29:14 Coaching at Utah State and Transitioning to Snow College
36:48 Recruiting Differences at Different Levels
40:12 Importance of Graphics in Recruiting
45:21 Recruiting at the Junior College Level
45:51 Choosing between D2, D3, and Junior College
52:34 The Importance of Junior College in Player Development
56:55 Recruiting and Evaluating Players at Snow College
59:16 Viliami Fifita: Offensive Lineman from Skyridge High School
01:02:34 Damien Nelson: Offe

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Transcript

Naki (00:06.874)
All right. We're, we're back on the grind with Trevor McFall. So coach McFalls out of snow college in Ephraim, Utah, uh, snow is a part of the national junior college athletics association for those that don't know. So I'm extremely excited. One, because, uh, I do have a bit of existing relationship with, with, with coach McFalls and, uh, uh, we, we it's weird. We've kind of crossed paths, uh, inadvertently kind of somehow, and we haven't really crossed paths, but.

you were working somewhere when I was working somewhere and we kind of would flip every once in a while I feel like. So that's been kind of fun. But I want to dive in first to your kind of history. But first of all, how are you feeling, man? I'm excited to have you here.

Trever McFalls (00:52.202)
Oh man, I'm excited. This is a fun time for, I mean, college football with signing day just passing by and I'm excited. This is everything football is always fun to talk about for me. And, you know, like you said, it's good to be able to share this together and in the mutual relationships we have as well as, you know, the crossing paths that we've gone through and the number of years that it's been since we met. So that's, I'm excited to kind of get into things and ultimately talk about.

snow and you know what we were able to do and what we do here so I'm excited.

Naki (01:26.362)
Yeah, I'm stoked for you guys got when you showed me kind of what you've been doing from a recruiting standpoint, but also the squad you guys landed this is crazy. So we'll get to that. I definitely want to chat through that. Uh, but I want everyone to know that that coach McFall's series is absolute grinder. We talk about the recruit grind. This guy grinds bad. He gets it. He's, he's been at the level where

I mean, from, from GA to running operations for a program to doing the recruiting operations for a program. I mean, like he gets it. There's a lot of work that goes into it and we'll probably talk through some of that as well. But before you were grinding it out at the college level as a professional in it, from a career standpoint, you were pretty dominant at a high school standpoint too, coming out of a Juan Diego high school. Juan Diego had some really good years at that point, but uh,

Talk us through, I'd love for you to kind of talk through your high school recruiting experience and getting to SUU.

Trever McFalls (02:29.25)
Yeah, yeah, we had a few good years at Juan Diego and able to win a couple of state championships there, which definitely helped me and a lot of us, the other guys on the team get recruited from there. But yeah, so I kind of went into it a little bit blind with, you know, not having much background or experience outside of just kind of knowing the Anderson family growing up and, you kind of picking at them for football things. But we've gone.

Naki (02:54.81)
Yeah, which Gary has been on the pod before too. So, Coach Gary Anderson has been on the podcast. So that's who's referring to everybody when he's talking about. Yeah.

Trever McFalls (03:01.698)
Yeah, yeah, that yeah, I guess. Yeah, exactly. With the close relations, that's kind of his name is just passed by me. But yeah, Gary's just he was a, you know, a little bit of the resource I had. But at the same time, that was where like he was still coaching. And so, you know, he could only give me so much, you know, for what he was doing at this time. And ultimately, he was busy doing his recruiting. So, you know, going through that, I kind of just kind of experience like.

Naki (03:09.176)
No, you're good.

Trever McFalls (03:30.882)
the schools that would reach out here and there. And at that time there was no Twitter, there was no like any of that stuff when I was in high school. And they actually didn't even have huddle. So like my film was on a DVD and I was like, me and my mom, we had a time man. Oh, but yeah, so me and my mom sat like looked up, I mean, every address, every school and I mean emailed out or not emailed, but mailed out every DVD we could make. And, you know, ultimately.

Naki (03:40.634)
Give me some dawg, give me some dawg.

Trever McFalls (04:00.354)
It was like I did it so late in the process where like I was after my senior year when I was sending film out and you know, at that point now I'm realizing it's like, dude, you have to send that out when you're a sophomore or you know, like you got to get your name out there and it's much, much easier now. But like, you know, so that's where for me Southern Utah came in and they watched me in high school, like through the season and then Paul Peterson, who just, I mean, he's been around forever and

Naki (04:11.578)
Yeah, except for at least. Yep.

Trever McFalls (04:29.666)
He was the one that actually recruited me to Southern Utah. Came in, sat down with me in the office, kind of had that type of conversation. And then the house visit, like all that type of stuff. And ultimately it was where we scheduled the official visit for the final weekend of like that before signing day. And coach Ed Lamb sent me down and said, we're offering you a scholarship. And you got like basically a day to tell me if you're going to come because of the timetable of what we're doing. And you know, and I...

Naki (04:47.866)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (04:59.488)
Oh, for me, I was I was entertaining like, geez, I can't even think of it was a school in Kansas. I think it was like an NIA and like a couple other just like preferred walk on spots that, you know, ultimately I was like in a situation where like financially a scholarship was going to be the best for me to be able to pursue a dream. And so that was where, you know, Southern Utah came in at the perfect time and offered me and, you know, it took me like

a day ish to even to like consider but all of that was just mostly kind of finding out what the offer was and you know that and and then I committed and signed that day on you know whatever that signing day was with the actual pen and paper and fax and all that type of stuff and you know finish it yeah exactly uh now and nowadays it's funny because like we still replicate that with the whole signing thing but like I mean every

Naki (05:45.35)
Back when it was all fax machines, dude.

Naki (05:55.418)
Hahaha!

Trever McFalls (05:57.438)
Basically everybody does it electronically as far as I know. So it's like, you know, it's kind of for show, but I still respect it just because I went through it and I love it and I love to celebrate it. So, you know, I love to see the kids do it.

Naki (06:08.89)
Do you still? I had I had I had been in a couple programs where we even went as far as like still printing it out and like bringing it on the table. But let's go. Even though it was all electronic, it was like.

Trever McFalls (06:20.578)
Yep. Yeah, we would get those and like, we would get them basically picture messages back to us like in that basic form and or like a PDF, you know, and, and then, yep, we wouldn't go print it out and go and cheer in the office as soon as they come in and, you know, go and turn around and announce them. And yeah, it's, I mean, it's fun to, it's so much work, like, and so, so long through because like, I mean, ultimately the recruiting process starts right now and like, it doesn't end until.

Naki (06:36.858)
That's the best.

Naki (06:48.408)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (06:49.506)
you know, a year from now and everybody signed and done and you know, it's so much like, I mean, every bit invested into that process with these kids. And I mean, time spent away just to be able to recruit and go see the games and go see the kids and high school home visits, like all that stuff. It's so much poured into it. So when you get these kids to sign with you and like, you want these kids playing for you, it's like, you know, it is that, that party, that exciting, like celebration type feeling. Cause it's like,

man, we like, we grinded for this kid and we finally freaking got him and now it's time to celebrate because he's gonna make our team better. And you know, that's where like all of that work adds up to that day. And you know, it's fun to be able to celebrate and have fun with everybody together, right? But.

Naki (07:33.006)
Hallelujah, man. No, it's hard work paid off. It's funny because like I, when I first thought about like, hey, how am I gonna name this entire podcast, right? How am I gonna name it? I always thought through like almost every interaction I ever had with a coach.

and or like a recruit was like, dude, man, this thing's a grind. Like I, it's such a grind. Everyone always talks to you. Recruiting is a grind both ways. So it was just natural. I was like, we're crying, man. This is what this thing is. Yeah.

Trever McFalls (07:57.088)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (08:06.41)
Oh dude, I loved it. I loved it. As soon as I saw it, I like, yeah, that's exactly, I mean, to name a podcast that, and this is what it's about, it's like, I mean, it's, you know, bread and butter, basically.

Naki (08:16.954)
Yeah, it is dude. Which is funny too, cause like it was like I saw a lot of posts from coaches where it was like literally, you know, national signing day was done and like on national signing. And when I say done, I was like towards the evening when like all the signing was pretty much completed everywhere. And then you see some coaches like, all right, 25s, where are you at? Right. It's already on the next recruiting class. And it's like, dude, let me, let me catch a breath real quick, bro. Let me catch a breath.

Trever McFalls (08:33.216)
Mm.

Trever McFalls (08:36.674)
Oh man. I was just like, and like, personally it was just because I was like, I can't start right now. Like, I don't, I don't have that work. But man, I need to be able to like, at least just go home and get some sleep. Let me wake up and start the day fresh again. Oh man. But.

Naki (08:57.402)
Yeah, I get it dude. It's wild. But no, it's super cool. You mentioned something that I'm gonna backtrack a little bit too. And it's specific because there's a couple, there's a couple of high school players that I know, parents that have actually reached out to me that are starting late. And you kind of mentioned that about yourself. You were like, man, like I should have started that back when I was a sophomore.

Trever McFalls (09:17.248)
Yeah.

Naki (09:20.41)
What was it about that? Like, why were you waiting so long to start that? Was there something that was like, you're not sure if you're even going to be able to go the college route or what was that about?

Trever McFalls (09:32.578)
Truly, I was in a way naive to the whole process. I didn't take the process by the reins. I was going with the flow. My sophomore year, I was so focused on winning a job as a football player. I was in that Friday night lights mode where everything was about winning. For me, I didn't even think about recruiting at that time. Then my junior year,

Naki (09:37.722)
Mm -hmm.

Naki (09:59.17)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (10:02.562)
things started to like pick up a little bit. I'm a starter like from the year before, like I started my sophomore year. So now I'm going into the next year as like a starter and feeling more confident about what I'm doing and like those types of things started to add up. And then we start to go and like compete at college camps over the summer. Like we would, we would stay like three days at the Weber State Camp. And then I started to get recognized at that stuff. And that's where like my junior year, I was like, okay, like maybe football is.

what I'm going to do and like pursue like, cause at that time I really still kind of was just in it for fun and like the joy of competing and playing football and winning and you know, doing that type of thing. And so I still didn't even think about it for me myself, like of what I could do with it. And then, you know, by that point, football was done my junior year, we won state championship. Everything of that was like the, I mean, we were undefeated. So it was like every bit of what we wanted was, you know, achieved.

Naki (10:32.696)
Yeah.

Naki (10:57.05)
Nice one.

Trever McFalls (11:00.418)
And then it was basketball season. And so I kind of was like, all right, we got what we wanted out of football, now basketball season, let's go. And then, you know, at that point, basketball's taken over and I haven't even really thought about football again until we get our rings. And then, you know, at that point it's like, okay, get ready for senior year. And then Keegan, actually Keegan Anderson got his first, I mean, he got offered by Utah State when his dad kind of transitioned over into that head coaching role. And that was like really my first.

Naki (11:00.666)
Yeah.

Naki (11:05.05)
Moving on.

Naki (11:22.936)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (11:29.346)
experience of like, okay, like, shoot, it's time to go. Like, we're seniors together, man. It's like, you're going to Utah State. And I mean, shoot, I better figure out where I'm going. And like, you know, I had I had dreams of, you know, getting a Utah offer and getting a Utah State offer and like sitting there like with that type of stuff going on. And like, I mean, I didn't, at the time realize like, what that took what what I should have done to that point to be able to

Naki (11:32.248)
legit yeah this is gonna happen

Trever McFalls (11:58.018)
even be considered for that type of stuff where like they brought me in through like that summer going into my senior year and like, I mean, personal invites and like the personal meetings and stuff like that with like, I mean, coach Jay Hill actually was working at Utah at that time and kind of like went and I drew his attention from like the U -shoot seven on seven day. And, you know, that was where like ultimately I kind of felt.

Naki (12:16.066)
Yeah, at the time.

Naki (12:22.626)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (12:26.146)
you know, the attention of like, okay, yeah, like I can, I can start to get this thing going. And then, you know, they offered PWO and I got PWOs from everybody. And like, for me, it was like, I, you know, I felt amazing about that, but then I also knew I was like, okay, well, I mean, ultimately it's not a scholarship and like, you know, for, like I said, it's like, that's the best situation I can be in. And like, for my family, all these back, like all these things, like, you know, that's what I need to pursue. And then that was where, you know, we, we go through and win state again. And.

like have that great, great year again. And I finished off, you know, my high school career in that way. And then I was like, all right, it's time to go. Like I need to get myself moving on what I'm going to do in the future and you know, who I'm going to be, where I'm going to go. And, and then it was like, yeah, literally like the most fun day after that. It was, yeah. My mom was like, okay, like, are you sure we're going to go home? Keep sending me. I was like, yeah, we have to, that's how you do it. And I'm like, you know,

Naki (13:08.762)
And that's when the DVDs started coming out and you're like boom, boom, boom. Sending them out like Oprah, dude.

Trever McFalls (13:26.082)
I just, at that time, you know, I thought that was going to go and win me this Division I scholarship. And then, and then I basically sit there, sit there and then SEU comes in and I'm like, sure, yeah, I'd read anything. I love this, man. And, you know, I couldn't have been more happy about going to SEU and like the career I had there. I mean, ultimately put me in a position where I'm in now where, you know, I can sit back and

Naki (13:39.352)
Yeah, this is fantastic.

Trever McFalls (13:55.458)
And look and think like, man, I wish I would have done this and I wish I'd done that while I was in my college career. But like, I mean, that changes nothing other than just how I feel about it now. And so for me, it's been, I mean, I came in, so I went in as a tight end. That was like, I played tight end and defensive end at Juan Diego, played both sides of the ball. So like they kind of recruited me as that type of like bigger athlete and didn't necessarily know I was going to go when they brought me in, but you know, had to need a tight end when they brought me in. So.

Naki (14:15.034)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (14:25.314)
That was where I went to. And then the day, well, it actually happened before fall camp. I went out there like in the summer period before it was like, I think I moved in at the beginning of July and started working out with the team and all that. And I, I had like gone through, I mean, being a big tall guy and playing basketball and stuff, I rolled my ankles all my life. And so like my ankles were shot.

Naki (14:36.986)
Yeah.

Naki (14:46.138)
Yeah, big tall guy for just for reference though, six five. So definitely a big tall guy. Yeah, for sure.

Trever McFalls (14:50.306)
Yeah. So I mean, possibly where my ankles is centered down there in basketball. And I mean, it's just everything else being a tall gangly kid. And, and so, and so I, um, I kind of went there, like, I mean, a little damaged ish, you know, I had rolled my ankle pretty bad my senior year. And like, ultimately what it was is I like, I chipped a bone off in my ankle and like that kind of was just floating in there.

Naki (14:59.706)
You

Trever McFalls (15:17.538)
for the whole remainder of my senior year and then I went into SU with it and in the summer I just rolled it super bad and went into the trainers and it was just black and purple and they were like, okay, yeah, we should maybe send you into a specialist and it was like, I mean, eventually we found out it was like ligaments are torn and the bone chip's sitting down here because the ligament tore off and ripped it off and all this stuff. So had to get surgery.

Naki (15:41.594)
You're just, you're just nonchalant about it. You're like, I'm good. Like it's fine. Just rub some grass on it.

Trever McFalls (15:47.202)
Yeah, well, like, you know, for me, I just I mean, I kind of got used to the ankle pain because of, you know, years and years of that type of stuff. And I'm, you football, that's that's what you do. And so, you know, I'm like, and I'm a freshman trying to come in and impress some people. So I'm coming in trying to do something and I hobble in and and then finally a week and a half in a fall camp, I'm like, I talked to the coaches and they're like, yeah, let's let's have you get surgery.

Naki (15:55.33)
Yep.

Naki (15:58.842)
Yeah, yep.

Trever McFalls (16:14.274)
I mean, there's nothing for you to do this year other than recover and heal. And so I went through the whole fall, you know, like in a soft cast and then a boot and then, you know, that whole process and then go into spring ball and really wasn't like, you know, a hundred percent because recovery wise, I was like, you know, doing the protocol and not much more, which I look back now and I'm like, man, I should have pushed myself more, but that's where like I went back and I, uh,

Naki (16:17.176)
Interesting. Yeah.

Trever McFalls (16:42.882)
But I went back and I mean kind of worked my way back into it and then eventually through that process got moved into the D line room and like D end D tackle type position.

Naki (16:52.762)
See that's why I was confused because if you go back onto SCU's actual website and look you up, which I did because I do that with almost everybody on the podcast, but it looks, it's like you're listed as O Lyman, but then there's all this like defensive stats and I'm super confused.

Trever McFalls (17:08.13)
Yeah, yeah, so I actually played the line for the majority of my career there from my redshirt freshman year until my redshirt junior year. I played defensive like tackle mostly and then like in set that play D and and like in you know that like in odd sets and stuff like that. And so I actually yeah, that was like where I I actually I moved so I halfway through my redshirt junior year tore my LCL.

Naki (17:21.432)
Yeah.

Naki (17:27.482)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (17:37.122)
And missed basically the remainder of the season, like other than like I was able to kind of hobble back into the last game and just to kind of like finish the year off. But in that process, um, a young kid kind of stepped up and played Robert Torgeson. Just, I mean, he killed it that year. And so he ended up playing really well and like coming back into it. Me and him were battling and like, I was sitting there as the starter, but it was, I were like, I mean, essentially we were going to split reps because he was a great player. And for.

Naki (17:45.562)
Yeah, yeah.

Naki (17:54.458)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (18:06.946)
For me, like went through spring ball kind of in that position and then we get through and I can't remember what happened through the process of it, but like we lost a couple tackles. And so head coach comes to me in the summer is like, Trevor, like ultimately, like I'm not gonna make this decision for you, but like you have an opportunity if you were to play tackle to do this thing further. And if you want to, you can pursue it.

If you want to play D tackle and finish off the year, like, I mean, you're going to be a great D tackle like with that, but, you know, ultimately it's not your best position. And so for me, I was kind of like, uh, sure, why not? And at that point I kind of, you know, it was just, you know, at, at the point of like, why not phase and, you I was graduating and finishing out my college career. And, um, so.

Naki (18:49.848)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (19:01.11)
you know, did that and only played tackle for my redshirt senior year and like started every game that left tackle for that year. But yeah, ultimately I played defensive tackle for essentially four years and, um, or I guess three years and then tied in for a year or, you know, surgery tied in and then offensive tackle. And, you know, look at that now. I wish, you know, I.

Naki (19:06.362)
Huh. Yeah.

Naki (19:23.322)
Okay, that makes a lot more sense.

Trever McFalls (19:28.002)
or all the wishes. I probably could have gotten the thought if I would have played tackle the whole time, but some of that was my ego and being like, no, I do want to do what I'm doing. At the end of the day, I'm happy to be where I'm at now though.

Naki (19:30.074)
Yeah, yeah, no.

Naki (19:39.834)
Now you Yeah, I say you bathe in the light side bro. Welcome to the rebellion dog all Lyman for life, man. That's

Trever McFalls (19:50.306)
Exactly. And that was where this feed started. And that's where ultimately it spread into the coaching career that I have now. And finished out playing and then moved back home, actually helped kind of back home with some family stuff and got an opportunity to start coaching at my high school, Juan Diego, in 2015 season, I believe was the first year. And we got, I mean,

Luckily, and I mean, it was a great team. We won state that year. So the last three years I was a part of Juan Diego football. We won state football championships. I mean, it's success.

Naki (20:28.218)
Okay, well Juan Diego should be, they should be forking out some money to get you back there, dude, because it's like every time you're there, they're winning state championships.

Trever McFalls (20:34.818)
I mean, they're good. They're going to get things going. I think they, uh, they got a good staff. The head coach they got over there is a good dude. I liked Ron a lot. So, but yeah, so, um, had a year there. That was when John was still there. John Glossmoan, um, finished out and it was, it was special to me to be able to like kind of start my career with him because

Naki (20:48.634)
That'd be good.

Trever McFalls (21:02.274)
Ultimately, he was what like started this football, you know, love for me where like, you know, I go in as a freshman at high school. I kind of was just a pup and you know, I didn't know nothing. And he kind of just, I mean, the way he taught, the way he loved the way he cared about coaching and teaching and doing it the right way. And, you know, the, the push and the drive that he had, it was, you know, what made me appreciate being able to coach with him in that setting.

Naki (21:09.24)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (21:30.754)
so much and like having the success that we had it was it was cool and so that was what kind of like sparked this fire for me of like man this is this is who I want to be like this is you know Gary Anderson is like a role model for me John Klossman is a role model for me like these dudes that these coaches that like have you know so much success in their life and in my opinion have done it the right way and like go about it the right way personally and in a relationship based fashion and those types of things and so

Naki (21:44.986)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (22:00.258)
That was where like I modeled myself in a coaching way. And, you know, from there, it was like, okay, I want to get an opportunity to get back into college because the serious nature that I have about football and, you the attitude that I have about football is so 24 seven that I need it all the time. You know what I mean? And so I got a chance. I got to go just volunteer. Basically, I was like, I started as a volunteer, um, offensive line assistant with Southern Utah. And so got to go back.

Naki (22:15.994)
It matches it, yeah. It matches it. I'm with you, yeah.

Naki (22:28.378)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (22:29.506)
and coach with the staff that, you know, essentially kind of same thing with Juan Diego, go and work with the guys that taught me. And then Demario was actually, Demario Warren was the head coach at the time when this happened. And so got an opportunity to go back with those guys and started the GA role. And, you know, I mean, essentially GA role, I was already in my master's program. And so that was where, like, I just kind of went back into that and they didn't have money for me. So I just started a volunteer and.

Naki (22:35.002)
Be a part of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Naki (22:51.576)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (22:57.89)
went through the whole season as a volunteer. Just, I mean, living on, you know, my, the, the Colettes, um, appreciate the Colettes couches. Yeah. So that, and I mean, my wife too now, like we were together at the time. So she's just sitting there. I mean, sending me money. I'm going to plasma bank to go donate all that, you know? So, and then every meal that I get from official visits and that's going right into the fridge for the whole week. And you know, I did it, I did it the right way.

Naki (23:04.73)
Grind bro, grind bro.

Naki (23:25.562)
stuck up to go boxes.

Trever McFalls (23:27.874)
I did it the right way. So GAs, listen up. If you need to eat some food, do it the right way. So I mean, but it was such a fun process to just learn how to coach and learn from these guys that I appreciated so much for the opportunity they gave me as a player and now as a coach. And so just Aaron Fernandez is like, I mean, he's the other guy that just kind of next in line of those role models that I have.

Naki (23:30.65)
It's so...

Yeah, so true, dude. That's hilarious.

Trever McFalls (23:55.458)
the reason and I mean ultimately the way I modeled the coaching you know train that I have and like the way that I go about my day and the way that I go about like he taught me a quote of you can always control two things your energy and your effort and that's like how I've modeled myself basically day in and day out after that because it's like I mean it's you know ultimately the two things that nobody can take from you and ultimately you know you pick to start the day and to finish the day so so uh

Naki (24:19.194)
Yep. You make that decision. I love it. I love it.

Trever McFalls (24:24.962)
He taught me what O -line is and why I do the things I do in the O -line room and the way I teach it, the technical aspects, the fine comb, like just, I mean, every single little detail from the angle of your foot and your stance to what you're looking at and the leverage that you're thinking about in the play. I mean, just every single thing.

That was what I was taught and that was what I had to do for him. And so I was able to ingrain myself into that way of thinking. And for, you know, the way I played to the way I coach now is so much different because it was like, for me as a player, I kind of was just like, yeah, like I'm going to go play and, you know, just kind of like, I mean, especially in the old line of world, nothing of what I did as a player is what I teach now. So, so if you see any film of me, you know, nothing of that was, but yeah, it's in my resume now, but it's, you know, it's, um,

Naki (25:05.082)
Yeah.

Naki (25:11.13)
Yeah.

Naki (25:18.778)
We learned, we learned.

Trever McFalls (25:20.32)
Exactly growth But yeah, so that was you know ultimately where I got to kind of grow in those two years is I Ended up getting put on as like a GA so I was able to get a little bit of money and stay with it and go through that so two full seasons I was in that position and then the DFO Jeff Tukuafu got an opportunity to elevate himself, which I know you know very well He's a great dude. Oh Man Jeff

Naki (25:22.394)
Ha ha.

Naki (25:43.446)
Just been on the pod too, man. I freaking love Jeff.

Trever McFalls (25:47.746)
He's a great person. We played together at SU. He's been an amazing person in my life.

Naki (25:57.238)
Jeff for the record Jeff. I was actually talking to him today and he was humble about it He told me that I'm an idiot, but I was telling him like duty He basically has currently SU athletic department on his back and he just kind of carries it

Trever McFalls (26:11.042)
Oh dude. And it's been that way ultimately since I'm saying this point, right? Right when he took that role that he took and I stepped, like I got the opportunity to step into his spot as the DFO. He's been running everything in my opinion. Like, I mean, he's not been in the position to, but he like, I mean, he walked himself up to an assistant AD position in like a year just from like, just from everybody seeing and appreciating the way that he worked, right? He's a grinder. He.

Naki (26:15.834)
Yeah.

Naki (26:24.73)
Yeah.

Naki (26:32.698)
Yeah. Here.

Yeah, he willed it. He willed it so, bro. He willed it so, for sure.

Trever McFalls (26:42.07)
Dude and like a lot of people don't know that guy started out telemarketing in southern Utah like he he went from I mean oilfield to telemarketing to a DFO that had never been in the system at SU you to What he is now like he's that he's amazing I you know, he's he's he's really fun to be you know, like you have that relationship with but yeah, we're moving up was you know where I got to move up and I was able to get put

Naki (26:48.376)
Yep.

Naki (26:59.13)
Yeah, great dude.

Naki (27:05.72)
Yeah, I'm with you for sure.

Trever McFalls (27:11.906)
full time in that position and that was ultimately where I kind of took that dive because transitioning from being a football coach to being an operations guy, you may not ever get back is kind of what you're told. Like sometimes that avenue doesn't ever intercross again and I had the biggest fear of losing the opportunity to coach because that was why I wanted to do this whole thing. But money wise and...

Naki (27:23.906)
Yeah.

Naki (27:33.69)
And then, well, let's say for the record to those listening, DFO is terminology for an acronym for director of football operations, which getting to the operations side and kind of talking through that. I think I've maybe brought it up on here before, but operations staff, especially the DFO is like planning and coordinating practices, like daily schedules along. Obviously you do that with the head coach, but.

traveling, like getting out to all the games, where you're going to stay, how you're going to get their meal, everything. So it's like all the logistics behind it usually fall on the operations director. So, and that's, and it's funny because I feel like it's stretched across like almost all athletics programs. Now is like every sport has some sort of athletic or logistics operations person that takes care of it all. So that's what you're referring to. So it's, it's a lot of work that goes into it.

Trever McFalls (28:00.738)
Yeah, meals, yeah, all that stuff.

Naki (28:27.066)
It's just different from the coaching side.

Trever McFalls (28:27.49)
Owen.

And at the FCS level, I mean, at some programs they have a better like staffed positions for like different things, but at an FCS level at like, you know, middle paid type position in that type of role of like, you know, we're not bringing in a ton of money. You're as the DFO, you are also the video coordinator. You're also the recruiting coordinator. You're also the academic coordinator. You're, I mean, dude.

Naki (28:39.384)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (28:57.858)
I had so much respect for every DFO in that level. It's why, ultimately though, I got to the position I'm in because I just learned to work. I just learned, if you want to do this thing, you got to work.

Naki (29:00.93)
It's a great

Naki (29:11.13)
Yeah, well, which is funny because we were talking before and I want to bring this up because I think it's unique. But we were talking before the podcast a little bit and you're sitting here talking about, dude, you're everything. You're a recruiting coordinator, you're this or that. You also got an opportunity to go work at Utah State for a little bit in more of a recruiting like heavy role. I think it was assistant director of player personnel, if I remember correctly. Yeah. So it's like here you are like ingraining yourself and specifically the recruiting side, which

Trever McFalls (29:31.266)
Yeah. Yeah, correct. Yep.

Naki (29:41.274)
There's a part of me that's like, that was probably refreshing in some ways where it's like, I don't have to deal with everything. Okay. Okay. That's all I was wondering. But on the flip side of it too, it's like you now it's all recruiting and it's funny because you go from all these hats. Now you're just doing recruiting and you're kind of going back into that. Like we were, what we were talking about before is basically like, dude, like a lot of these, what probably recruits don't see behind the scenes is a coach like Trevor who has.

Trever McFalls (29:45.282)
Oh, Barry.

Naki (30:10.33)
All of this knowledge and understanding of what he's done before. And then he gets put into a coaching role. He takes a coaching role and it's like, bro, you're still doing a whole bunch of stuff now at snow because it's a similar mindset, right? It's like, Hey, like the more you can do the better. So I, yeah.

Trever McFalls (30:25.89)
Exactly.

Trever McFalls (30:30.146)
Oh yeah, and resources wise and everything, it's what you have to do to compete. You know what I mean? So that was where I was in a DFO role for a year at SUU. And then I got the opportunity to go to Utah State when Gary Anderson got the job out there. And I guess, retook the position and got to go in that. I mean, like you said, it was like rediving myself into football and coaching and that world again. And it was kind of that.

Naki (30:35.256)
Yep.

Naki (30:45.602)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (31:00.194)
I mean, it was like for me exciting because I saw the avenue back into coaching again and I got to go work with an amazing staff that has so much experience that, you know, all these dudes, Frank Miley still is a guy that I, you know, I text and I call as much as I can. And, you know, he's just, he's an amazing person to be able to have a relationship with it and in this profession. And he, you know, he's ultimately what he's, he helped me get this position I'm in now. So, you know,

Naki (31:05.05)
Yeah.

Naki (31:20.666)
for X -Creative.

Trever McFalls (31:28.034)
those relationships that you create through those jobs that you have mean a lot. And, you know, the better you do in those positions, ultimately get you into, you know, what you want to be able to do in the future. So the investment, right. And so for me, I got to go out there for two seasons. We unfortunately got let go after the COVID, or like through that COVID season, we got our staff got let go. And so following that season,

Naki (31:28.098)
Yeah.

Naki (31:39.098)
Yep, networking baby, yep.

Trever McFalls (31:56.258)
I was kind of in that transition mode and then Southern Utah calls and their tight ends coach had just left and they were two and a half weeks away from starting their season in the spring phase, like where for us in the FBS level, we played our eight game season, you know, like inter -conference with the Mountain West. And so that's where like transitioning out of that and like basically being done there. And then now the FCS level and I believe like,

Naki (32:16.762)
Yeah. Yeah.

Trever McFalls (32:25.602)
like junior college and there's a few other leagues that played their spring league in that COVID frame. And so now I'm going from the fall season at Utah State to the spring season at SUU because that was where, you know, ultimately I got my opportunity to go coach. And so they call me and they're like, hey, we got two weeks to get out. I mean, to get you out here and ready. We're going through essentially our spring fall camp right now to prepare for our first game. So do you want this opportunity? And.

Naki (32:37.592)
Yep.

Naki (32:51.354)
Yeah, I forgot about that. I forgot about that.

Trever McFalls (32:54.722)
You know, I was like in a heartbeat. You know, that's where I get to begin my start, right? And that's where, you know, I was able to go out there with Matt Wade as the offensive coordinator and Aaron Fernandez is offensive line coach still. So I was able to kind of go back into that mode of who I was learning from, but then also in a coaching role, I was the tight ends coach at the time. So it was, it was huge to be able to develop with those guys and kind of learn in the system that they had to where Matt, his, his offenses.

Naki (33:20.634)
Awesome.

Trever McFalls (33:24.13)
I mean, it's intricate and every little detail that a tight end has is everything in the offense, right? To where like for him, he wants to be able to put a tight end from the outside receiver on the left to the outside receiver on the right and every position in between. So, you know, for me as a tight ends coach, I'm like, okay, well then I have to know every single one of those spots because you know, in the run game, I need to know every single blocking assignment and even little combos. I need to know how we're going to do it. And then I need to know the technique behind it and all those types of things. So.

Naki (33:30.618)
Yeah.

Naki (33:42.52)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (33:52.898)
I had to dive myself into the world of tight end and route running and those types of things to where like, as I know, line GA, you don't really ever care about that stuff. And you do because like you're hearing about it in your staff meetings, but outside of that, it's like, okay, well, I'm focused on what the offensive line is doing. So I'm crash course, tight ends coach, how from Matt Wade essentially was like, he was amazing at getting me up to speed was like.

Naki (34:02.744)
Yeah, you don't get to do that for sure.

Naki (34:11.866)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (34:22.754)
really how to teach it to tight end to play and in that way of like in the past game and you know, I had to kind of invest myself into, you know, YouTube videos and different coaches that I liked that tied in and you know, go and listen to what they said in different clinics and stuff like that. And that was kind of how I kind of try to pick myself into that job ultimately for those two and a half weeks into the season. And then through that season, I was still continuing to do it every week. And

So I got the opportunity to go through there. We had, I think it was an eight game season at that point and then going into the next fall there at SUU and.

Naki (35:02.106)
So that's where we had just, for the record, we had just missed each other, because I had left and you got there. So yeah, this is for the record. But.

Trever McFalls (35:09.058)
That's right. And then, and that's, that's funny. Cause I mean, man, Cedar's awesome. It's such a special place, but, but yeah. So, um, went through that and kind of, so spring season and then fall season, we would got let go. Well, ultimately, um, tomorrow you'll step down so that he kind of transitioned into the position at Boise state that he's in now. And, um, with that.

Naki (35:16.888)
I don't know, Cedar's a great place. It really is.

Trever McFalls (35:37.154)
The rest of us kind of were in that limbo position. So I moved back home to like where my wife was in Salt Lake and just because like with the whole family transition and stuff, it's hard to, you know, pick and move everybody around constantly. So moved back there and really didn't know what my next step was. And like, you know, I, I ultimately kind of felt I was going to be out of football for a little while because I just, I didn't know where the next opportunity was going to be. And I didn't know.

Naki (35:44.602)
Mm -hmm.

Naki (35:50.394)
Oh yeah. Yep.

Trever McFalls (36:07.01)
like, you know, jobs wise, where to pursue. And I didn't want to leave the state necessarily because my family's here. And like, I didn't, I guess I didn't want to pursue too far outside of the state, I guess, to just get going. And, and so I transitioned out and my dad has a construction company. So I was doing that just different jobs for a little while. And then.

Naki (36:18.938)
Yeah, yeah.

Naki (36:27.002)
Oh wow, I didn't know that, okay.

Trever McFalls (36:28.962)
Yeah, so that was basically through that spring of 2021. And then Frank calls me and like another hour later, Demario Warren calls me Frank Miley. And both of them say, hey, the offensive line job just opened up at Snow College. You should seriously consider it. Like you'd be a great guy for the job, you know, all these different things. And, you if you're, if you're willing to go consider it, like it's a great learning and growth environment. And, and I didn't know.

Naki (36:41.016)
Yeah.

Naki (36:57.306)
That's cool.

Trever McFalls (36:58.442)
anything about really snow other than, you know, I had been recruited by them a little bit when I was in high school. But like at that time, it was more they recruited me kind of after the point of SUU and like all that type of or not after but like, it was almost too late, you know what I mean? I was like already involved with SUU and like really involved and really loving them. And so I just didn't really ever entertain them ever entertain them and

Naki (37:05.018)
Mm -hmm.

Naki (37:14.426)
Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah.

Trever McFalls (37:24.098)
And then that was where I kind of learned what Snow was and who the coaches were. Zach Erickson, the head coach, and he was the one that gave me the opportunity. And that was where really it was him and Jordan Pulo on the staff at the time. And then from there, the rest of the staff had left or got different opportunities or whatever. And so he was kind of rebuilding the staff.

Naki (37:45.21)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (37:50.818)
He got me hired from there. So him and Jordan were together and then got me hired. And then one by one after that, we kind of built the staff together and then, you know, or not really together. He put everybody together ultimately. Do you want to edit? Or I guess, do you care about editing that out? So, but yeah, so built the staff and then, you know, that was ultimately where I got the opportunity to start.

Naki (38:04.762)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Naki (38:09.178)
Yeah, I got you. You're good. You're good. No, I got you. But no.

Trever McFalls (38:20.034)
at snow and 2021 season. Now I've been here for two full seasons and going on my third year and you know that's kind of where finally here up to this point today and yeah loving it so.

Naki (38:29.946)
Where you at now?

Bro, I love it. The...

Dude, so there's a dude I have. I love so much of what you were just saying, dude. I wanted to unpack so many things, but I'm going to just for the for the sake of your time, I'm going to focus on a couple of things. So you get to the JC side of it and what's unique here and I want to focus a lot on the JC side because there's a lot of relevancy right now for a lot of recruits and just what you showed me from your signing class and all that. I got my anxious to really dive into that, but.

Trever McFalls (38:45.14)
Ha ha.

Trever McFalls (38:50.4)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (39:06.498)
Yeah.

Naki (39:06.586)
I do have a question in regards to the levels that you've been at, right? So you've been here and now you've been, you've played at an FCS level, you've coached at an FCS level, you've recruited an FBS level, right? So you've kind of recruited at all these levels and now you're at a junior college. What would you say the biggest difference between all of them is from a recruiting standpoint?

Trever McFalls (39:19.778)
Mm -hmm.

Trever McFalls (39:30.498)
Um, well, there's, I'd say there's a few differences in the way of just like who you're, uh, who you are available to talk to in the way of like, you see kids when you're at the FCS level and ultimately you're like, okay, I'm not even going to reach out to him because he's getting D1 traction in like the FBS frame. And so I'm not going to waste my time kind of, and you know, that's where like in that level, you go about it that way at the FBS level. It's ultimately like free reign of recruiting with.

Naki (39:39.394)
Yeah.

Naki (39:52.506)
Yeah.

Naki (40:00.058)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (40:00.256)
everybody in the nation because ultimately, you know, you don't know anything about what their situation is. And so for you at Utah State, you can go and recruit a kid in Florida that may be being looked at it, you know, in the SEC, but ultimately just kind of falls out of their ranks and then bang, you go and land the kid because you're the guy that recruited them the most or, you know, those things are where at those levels, I mean, if you're aggressive, and if you in my, in my opinion, if you're doing it the right way and like going after the kids that

Naki (40:05.69)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (40:29.89)
fit in the mold of what you're looking for, but then also pursuing what you really want. You can go after kids that, you ultimately you wouldn't say are those types of school guys and go and land those kids. But then also, I mean, my philosophy is always start in and work out. And so like, it's the best kids in Utah or the best kids in the state you're in. And then from there, it's, you know, what I, what I was saying with like, there's no reins on what you're doing and you ultimately have free reign of.

Naki (40:52.218)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (40:59.81)
transfer portal, any of those types of guys, you can go and recruit them. And like, you know, some of them may not respond to you, some of them may not entertain you, but you don't have that limitation necessarily built in of like, nah, we probably shouldn't, you know, waste our time or whatever it is. And so, you know, that's the big difference, I would say, in those two levels. And then ultimately the resources that you have as a recruiter at the Division I level, it's just, I mean, from the top down, there's...

Naki (41:12.762)
Yeah, from a resource standpoint, yeah. Yeah.

Naki (41:25.102)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (41:29.922)
everything. You know what I mean? It's like you it changes from school to school but there's I mean tour guides to people to go pick them up at the airport to you know just different things that help you as a recruiter be able to make the make the kid experience a little bit better you know what I mean on an official visit or through the recruiting process or any of those things to where it's easier to show attention because you have more resources to do it and you know that's

Naki (41:31.066)
Yeah.

Naki (41:56.41)
Well, let's talk about one of those resources that we were talking about, bro. Graphics. Like graphics have become, I'm just going to say that. Yeah, like graphics have become like this massive thing in college athletics, right? Where it's like, if you're not doing like high quality, like graphics, right? So again, perspective for me too was like first getting into Oregon State from a GA standpoint, it was like.

Trever McFalls (42:02.516)
Oh man. You have a graphics department.

Naki (42:25.498)
everything had to have a graphic like every that's when that's when I realized that on the college side like literally like every offer had to have a graphic. Every kid had to have like a custom graphic. And it was just like all of a sudden you got me and and you're familiar with this too. But Keegan Anderson, Trevor Mann, like, like all these guys along with the actual like director of graphics or whatever we named him. It was like we're just in this room cutting kids out. And I'm like,

Trever McFalls (42:52.194)
Oh man. And the good luck graphics and I mean just the holiday graphics that I mean dude it's I mean and like I know it's appreciated but man it's some of it sometimes it's just like it's it's overkill because it's like I mean at the end of the day guys like we're playing football like and so don't

Naki (42:52.794)
This is insane. Like this is crazy. They just go ahead.

Naki (43:00.066)
Birthday shoutouts all of us.

Naki (43:07.224)
Yeah.

Naki (43:11.138)
It's a lot.

Yeah.

Naki (43:19.642)
Ha ha!

Trever McFalls (43:20.19)
remove yourself too far from what we're doing here, man. Like, you know what I mean?

Naki (43:24.268)
Yeah, 100%. Dude, that's hilarious. Which is funny too. I'm gonna share this story. So when I was at University of Oregon, okay, so this is insane to me. So I was at Oregon and the Pac -12 was holding DFO meetings, right? And our DFO couldn't go. So he asked if I could go along with our assistant DFO. So I was like, absolutely. I mean, duh, that's amazing. I would love that opportunity.

So I go and we, a of cool things happen, but, uh, towards the end of the meetings, we, we sit down and actually have like this really big pow wow or recover like everything you think of from relationships with referees with like, Hey, where you guys stay. It was really cool collaborative where everyone like SC UCLA, all the DFOs are just sharing like, Hey, this is how we do this. How we do that. One of the very last questions was a, was like a hypothetical, which was like, Hey, if you,

could just snap your fingers and get any position approved on your staff, what would it be? Not necessarily a coaching position, but more of like a support staff role, right? So an operations type role. Almost every single school, I would say at least 80 % of the Pac -12 schools were like, we would take another graphic designer. And that's like in my mind, I'm like,

You could have said anything you could have said nutritionist you could have said strength coach you could like support staff roles right and I'm like this is where we're at right now. Yeah that's what I'm saying like things where it's like no no no no yes it's crazy to me like it's it's all about like the social media branding game pushing out so and and it's it's even crazier too because I'm like now I'm listening to to you before the podcast where I was like I don't know I don't know if these recruits.

Trever McFalls (44:55.81)
Yeah, academic advisor.

Because it's a card.

Naki (45:16.288)
realize it. I'm gonna point it out though, because they need to give you some credit, bro. Like you were doing all the graphics for your

Trever McFalls (45:24.034)
Yeah, I got some help from Trevor Mann. He helped us out huge to get us the graphics, I mean the setup basically. And then yeah, from there it was basically cut and go, cut and go, cut and go. And as soon as we got those rolling in from the NLI's and stuff, it was yeah, cut those graphics and put something together and celebrate what we were able to do for them. But yeah, it was a drive to be able to get that through.

Naki (45:48.954)
This is it, here, I'm gonna help you out here and I'm gonna tell this to every single recruit out there if you're listening to this and if you're mom and dad, you too, get some quality photos, right? Get some quality, high quality photos that we can use for cutouts in these things because take.

Trever McFalls (45:56.096)
Ha!

You

Please.

Trever McFalls (46:07.682)
And as by yourself as you can be, as by yourself as you can be is, man. It makes the mess easier.

Naki (46:13.078)
They don't realize it. It's like, yeah, way easier. No, that's hilarious. So do I remember those days, man, like getting this grainy photo and then trying to have to cut some guy out on Photoshop. You're like, dude, this is insane. The, oh, I love it. Oh, it's hilarious. Oh yeah.

Trever McFalls (46:24.616)
I don't know.

Trever McFalls (46:28.704)
And then like the timely manner too, like to where you're not trying to spend a day doing it because you have five others to do in the next 10 minutes. Oh man.

Naki (46:38.906)
You're not kidding. No, like legitimately legit. I mean, AI probably helps a lot with that now, but legitimately back then, dude, Keegan, Trevor, like dude, they were knocking out like two graphics in like 20 minutes. I feel like just cut out. So it took me like an hour and a half to do one cutout. Like I was like, this is terrible.

Trever McFalls (46:56.802)
Todd.

Yeah, when we all worked together in our three man pod, I was not involved with graphics, just to say that. Like I was the worst in town in the graphics department. Like, you know what I mean? And so, I mean, I was much better at the actual recruiting process. So, you know, that was where it was, yeah, it's, it's definitely a grind in that process.

Naki (47:03.066)
Yeah.

Naki (47:09.786)
That's hilarious.

Naki (47:14.426)
Oh, dude.

Naki (47:20.026)
No, I get you. And in regards to the recruiting process too, though, now, now you're recruiting at that JC level. And we kind of talked about the differences between all of them. The JC side of it, though, I've had this particular question come up a lot, actually, over the last week leading into signing day. And it's coming from parents that are like, Hey, I have like a D two or a D three offer. And we kind of talked about this a little bit, but I have like a D two or a D three offer. But

Trever McFalls (47:46.114)
Yeah.

Naki (47:49.498)
the which is unique and this is literally twice now this has happened where the mom or the dad that reaches out is like, hey, we have these D two or D three offers. Everyone's telling us so like all their support group around them is telling them, hey, you're probably better off going the junior college route instead to you know, if your dream is to get it to D one level or you know, even to the NFL, which baby steps here, but like,

What's your take on that? And it could be biased for sure, obviously, because you're working at that JC level now. But I'm curious to hear your feedback if you don't mind on that.

Trever McFalls (48:25.634)
No, yeah. So, I mean, I can, I mean, I'll give you an unbiased opinion even that I had just through the recruiting process, just barely with a kid that ultimately he went through this whole deliberation of us and the division too. And he went with the division too, which like, I'll kind of tell you about our conversation that we had through that. But then also just, you know, my philosophy on, you know, why you would choose what you're choosing and, you know, what, why you want to pursue what you're doing. So.

Naki (48:38.296)
Yeah.

Naki (48:46.328)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (48:54.882)
For me, if you're sitting there with an offer, like an offer for somebody to pay for your school from a Division II, a Division III, a junior college, and like, I'm not saying those offers are the same, but ultimately somebody is offering to pay money to pay for your education and to help you out with it, essentially. And some of that, I would say, weighs into the decision of like, how much are you gonna have to come out of pocket?

in those situations. Do you know fully the situation that you're in financially to where like, are you going to be covered in your housing? Are you going to be covered with your food? Are you going to have all of these things like books, fees, like are all these expenses going to be covered or is it that your scholarship covers this amount and then from there the remainder is going to have to come out of pocket. If that's the case, do you have a plan to, I mean, pursue that, that passion that you're going to go and play division two football there?

Naki (49:24.088)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (49:54.21)
And like ultimately, in my opinion, if you are willing to, you need to stay at that division two or that division three and play football there and have the goals and aspirations of being the best football player to ever play at that school. Because if you're wanting to go at that level and like go and pursue that type of, I mean, a four year, a four year school with, I mean, ultimately you're, you're choosing that school for the four years is how I feel they should be doing it.

Naki (50:16.962)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (50:24.098)
And if you have any type of thought in your head of like, okay, well, I'll just go and see what it's like. And then if I do well, or if I don't like it, then I'll just transfer. It's like, okay, why, why are you making that decision? Because ultimately one is the football competition that you're going to be playing at a level to where you're going to get recruited from there. So like, ultimately, are you going to get film put together from the football that you play at that spot?

Naki (50:36.186)
Yeah, no, it's it. Yep.

Naki (50:46.146)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (50:51.17)
If you even get the opportunity to play and like start there, are you going to get film put together or, you know, if you do, who's it's going to be against? What, like, what position is that going to be? And then from there, it's, you know, you might be on the attack team, maybe you're all those things, you know, so you can't rely on, yeah, I'm going to go and do well and just transfer because you don't know what the future is going to hold in that way. And then also with that, it's, you know, like I was saying financially, you're going to be in a position to where.

Naki (50:59.832)
Yeah.

Naki (51:13.698)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (51:21.154)
You may be coming out of pocket a lot more just to go and take that, that chance. You know what mean? Just to go and experience what you feel like you might want to go experience because it's a four year institution and you know, whatever it is that makes you inspired to go and play there. And I'm not saying division two football isn't good. I'm just saying if you're going to choose it, choose it. And don't just be half in and half out about it and think you're going to go there and just ball out in your freshman year. And then you're going to go and get recruited by everybody in the nation.

Naki (51:41.434)
Choose it.

Yep.

Trever McFalls (51:50.722)
Because I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but in looking at it in a way of like, if you're going to get recruited from a junior college or you're going to go and get recruited in that way that I just said, you're going to go and get recruited so much more to junior college a hundred percent of the time. And so that's where like, if you have that mindset about it, in my opinion, choose a junior college. And if you're going to choose a junior college, if you're a really good football player, choose snow. And that's like where, you know, for me it's...

Naki (51:51.138)
Is it? Yeah.

Naki (52:12.282)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (52:18.722)
You know, that's where I would say I'm biased, right? That's why I would say, yeah, if you're going to choose a JC, we're the best. So come choose us. And so from there though, if you're going to choose D2, which like, that's what I'm saying. So this conversation I had with a player I had built a really good relationship with through the recruiting cycle and had been in high school to see him and seen him play. I mean, all of it, like through the process has met, met his parents that had him out on campus and just kind of late through that recruiting. He.

Naki (52:21.496)
Yeah.

Naki (52:25.976)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (52:47.33)
got Division II offer and ultimately entertained it. And I was like, yeah, man, you need to go and experience what you want to go see and truly know what your decision is based off of like knowing your options, not just knowing who I am and knowing what snow is, but go explore the options that you have. And then from there, entertain them and like whatever you feel is best for you, pursue it. And so, he goes through it, he gets a visit, he picks up the offer and then essentially goes from.

Naki (53:05.818)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (53:15.65)
being committed with me to decommit and committing with that school. And I kind of just had the, you know, exactly that conversation of like, you know, the why and like the, you know, the, the belief in what you're doing for why you're doing it. And so like, if you're doing, if, and I told them, if you're choosing this, because ultimately you feel like it's the best decision for you in your future and in your life. And you want to go be the best football player at this institution that has ever been there. Then, you know,

Naki (53:44.92)
Do it.

Trever McFalls (53:45.046)
every bit of it, I would say support everything, you know what I mean? And for me, it's like the only loss is I don't get to play or he doesn't even, I don't have him on my roster. I don't have to play against him. I don't have anything like going negatively against me other than I need to go and recruit somebody else now. And so, you know, that's what I did. And that's where, you know, I went and found some great football players to come in and play for us this next season. And, you know, that's where he made the decision he made and he's going to go where he's going.

Naki (53:55.034)
Yeah. No. Yep.

Trever McFalls (54:13.41)
And I'm happy for him that he does that. But ultimately, I really just hope that he made the decision for the right reason and he stays there. And he is the best football player to go through that program.

Naki (54:20.026)
For the right reason.

Naki (54:24.282)
Yeah. And I think, uh, what I love the most about what you're saying, dude, is the reality of what it is right now. I think a lot of, uh, high school athletes, also parents don't realize this is like the, the turnover, not necessarily turnover, but, uh, like I don't even say like, even like a turnaround man, like for a junior college, there's an expectation for it, right? Like where you guys, and some of the coolest videos personally,

That I have seen if you haven't seen it is what snow has done with former players that were there that are now at D1. Love that was brilliant in my mind. I was like I don't know who's I. That was you bro. That was freaking brilliant like.

Trever McFalls (55:00.194)
Haha. Oh man. I'm not going to tell myself I love that, but yeah, that was a, that was a, that was cool to see those videos, man. I, I, I love the idea, but even more, I love what it provided and like, and really I loved that we gave those guys an opportunity and like, cause I mean, every single one of those guys earned that opportunity. And I mean, it's snow was the spot that they chose.

Naki (55:08.154)
Hahaha!

Naki (55:12.218)
Dude, amazing.

Naki (55:20.972)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (55:28.572)
as their, you know, ultimately their pit stop or whatever you want to call it. But they made that happen. You know what I mean? It's just snow got the opportunity to be the ones that helped them make that happen. And so it was, it was really fun to watch that happen. But.

Naki (55:29.474)
Yep.

Naki (55:34.458)
Yeah.

Naki (55:38.298)
Dude, I love that, bro. If you haven't seen those videos, you can go look them up. I'm pretty sure Coach McFaul's probably retweeted all of them, as he should. They're amazing. It's like, you got these guys that have moved on to big time Division I programs. There's one from Wyoming, I think University of Utah that I saw. And I'm like, dude, they're literally telling you, hey, I got my start at Still College. And I'm like,

That's that is phenomenal. Like recruit marketing bro. Like this blew my mind. I love that and but that's the reality of it too. So when we have this conversation about hey, there's kids that are going to go the D two or the D three route or should I go the junior college route? It's like no, no, no, you do his best for you. But understand like you have a two year program typically versus a four year program. Like there's different commitments. It's not the same type of commitment and you can't.

Trever McFalls (56:08.546)
Yeah.

Naki (56:33.466)
It's hard to like measure those two together. Like it's hard to. So I love that you say this. If you're like if you're going to commit, commit like commit to it, even though the transfer portal is what it is, blah, blah, blah. Like don't feed into this. Like commit to I do great advice, bro. There's great advice.

Trever McFalls (56:38.754)
Exactly.

Trever McFalls (56:51.33)
Thank you. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's what I, like I said, I wanted to share that conversation that I had because truly that's how I feel about it. And like, I mean, at the end of the day, even if you, even if the kid chooses a different junior college, it's like, I mean, that, that sucks for you because you're going to get beat by us. But with that too, it's, but like, I mean, it's, oh man, you know what I mean? But it's like at the end of the day, it's, you're making the decision for yourself to do what you truly want out of this thing. And.

Naki (56:59.13)
Yeah.

Naki (57:06.106)
Yeah. Yeah. It's the competitive side, bro. Let's go. Yeah.

Trever McFalls (57:20.418)
And like if you're not making that decision for that reason, in my opinion, you're not going to be happy and it's going to come sooner than later and you're going to be trying to find a different option. And you know, that's where, uh, you know, we've, we've scored on kids that have made that decision. But then also with that too, I hate to see kids have to go through that in their lives because it's hard. I would imagine, you know what I mean? I, I didn't personally go through it, but I would imagine it's, it's difficult to like start and stop and then start another place and then.

Naki (57:26.458)
Yeah.

Naki (57:34.554)
Yeah.

Naki (57:41.946)
Yeah, it is.

It's a hard decision, yeah.

Trever McFalls (57:49.974)
You know, just all that stuff. So the moving, the transition, every bit of it. So.

Naki (57:55.834)
Yeah. And for the record, I've had, and this is more of a, more of a two, two here for a snow college. I had several teammates that came through snow college, all of them, very good players, very good players. So just, uh, and I could go down the list of all these ballers that have come out of snow college, but, uh, the list is too long. And instead of focusing on those guys, I'd rather focus on your current ballers coming up that you just recruited. Was you down for that?

Trever McFalls (58:25.954)
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Naki (58:27.898)
Dude, okay, now I want you to speak more towards the guy like, okay, here's the deal. I'm looking at the list right now and you guys got a phenomenal class. Like for the stigma that might be around junior college, you guys just destroyed that stigma, bro. Like it is phenomenal. So I think kudos to the entire snow college staff, phenomenal recruiting class. Some of these players are absolute ballers. But I'd prefer you stick towards.

even though they're all great guys that you're very much recruited like in, in whether it be your room or guys that you're more involved in the recruiting process. And I may even, which I thought about this as we were going, I'm going to pull up some film on them. Would that be all right? Was you, were you okay with that? Okay. Who, who, who do you want me to start with?

Trever McFalls (59:10.402)
Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely.

Um, let's start with Vili Ami Safida.

Naki (59:21.114)
Okay, all right, let pull him up. Okay, so, and that's, yeah, Sky Ridge. So Sky Ridge player, O Lyman. All right, you got to do it. Okay, hold on, I'm gonna pull it up.

Trever McFalls (59:23.17)
Sky Ridge High School.

Trever McFalls (59:27.362)
Yep. And that's where I do want to mention. So with, with JC and like junior college recruiting, the one big thing with that is, I mean, the kind of the openness of recruiting everybody is almost the same to where like we can kind of recruit from the highest division one type kid to the kid that just started playing football a year ago and has absolutely no idea what he's doing, but has development and like that type of track.

Naki (59:35.586)
Yep.

Naki (59:43.54)
Yep.

Naki (59:56.546)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (59:57.442)
That's who we look for at Snow. And that's who we look for in the junior college ranks. And it's qualifiers and non -qualifiers. Because qualifiers ultimately put themselves in a way better position in a junior college because they control their destiny. They can go in, they can come in as a true freshman, start, play a fall, and get out by December.

Naki (01:00:11.948)
Radio.

Naki (01:00:18.298)
That's a good point. That's a really good point.

Trever McFalls (01:00:19.554)
So it's like, I mean, we can recruit everybody, but yeah, that's where I just wanted to throw that out there because that was the one thing that I didn't mention in the way of like, you know, differences in the way we recruit to everybody else, but, or, or, you know, different ranks, but yeah, man, we can, I mean, for example, Seth Wilfred went from a backup tackle at Bishop Gorman last year to coming in as a true freshman and starting for me and is now sitting out there in Auburn. And, you know, that's where just the track I said three months.

Naki (01:00:22.69)
Yeah.

Naki (01:00:30.2)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:00:48.514)
It was a true freshman came in, started, played every single game. And by the December period, he had signed by Auburn. So, you know, that's, those are the kinds of tracks that we can have kids take. But, and that's where, you know, ultimately I think Viliami, I think he has, you know, a track projection that, you know, he can, he can turn into something like that. So.

Naki (01:00:55.084)
Oh man.

Yeah, I love that.

Naki (01:01:03.482)
That type of potential. Yeah.

Well, let's see it, bro. Let's see it. I'm gonna pull it up. I'm gonna utilize Riverside FM to its capabilities here. Well, let's pull up this film. Can you see it? All right, bro. Go ahead.

Trever McFalls (01:01:18.912)
Yes, sir. So actually, I was going to one thing I was going to mention. So this is he has his junior film on huddle and then his senior film is like in a file on his. Yeah. So his Twitter that he has is like senior film. And it's like, I can't remember the the software that he used to create that film, but he does have a senior highlight film. And you can pull it up like in a full screen version. It's just basically it's.

Naki (01:01:28.538)
Oh, so it's not Huddl?

Trever McFalls (01:01:46.882)
like retweeted or pinned or something onto his Twitter page.

Naki (01:01:50.882)
I think it's right here. So there's this huddle link, but we'll find it.

Trever McFalls (01:01:54.53)
Yeah, and I mean, his junior film is great, but yeah, the fun stuff to watch is his senior film and ultimately, you know, why we feel like he can be such an explosive player.

Naki (01:02:03.322)
Oh, this is a good one.

Naki (01:02:08.89)
There you go. Oh, that was dirty. I'm just pulling up. Oh, you can't see it anywhere. Hold on, hold on. It's not loading. Give me a second.

Trever McFalls (01:02:11.138)
Oh yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:02:15.138)
Yeah, I agree with you.

Naki (01:02:19.224)
Hold on. Oh, there we go. There we go. I just, I pulled up this video. I'm gonna turn off the sound because it's too much for my computer to handle.

Trever McFalls (01:02:28.866)
So then the next one down senior season highlights. You see that one there? Yep. And then I think you can, yeah, I was gonna say, I think he can cut his volume on it. But yeah, man, if you watch the things that like stick out to me with this type of kid and the way that he plays football is the first word that comes to mind is violence. And like.

Naki (01:02:32.762)
Oh, right here. This is it? Okay. Let's pull this one up.

Naki (01:02:55.096)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:02:56.194)
the aggression that he brings to the football field and the technical way that he is able to do that and throw his body around like that and play violently on the football field is like, dude, that's what offensive line is to me. Just, I mean, being a trench dog, you know what I mean? Just, I mean, like you can tell the posture right there. You can tell his ability to control his center of mass and.

Naki (01:03:11.834)
That's a great player, bro.

Naki (01:03:19.834)
OOOOH!

Trever McFalls (01:03:23.234)
I mean look at the set control, look at his ability. Yeah exactly dude. This is a fun one.

Naki (01:03:25.018)
Look at this.

Naki (01:03:30.074)
Look at that. Like, listen, you can argue that's an edge player, bro. But I mean, edge pair is usually they have speed on you too. So it's like, and for the record, if you're listening on the podcast itself, I feel bad for you. You guys got to go on to watch the actual video on athletes TV because we're watching this kid just demolish people on the line.

Trever McFalls (01:03:31.54)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:03:47.06)
Man and like which the twitch that he has in and out of his stance his ability to get in and out of a really bendable position like see him down at three point and they Burst out of that thing and then he's in a good position to be able to get his hands on I mean and there's different things that like you're sitting here watching this and like yeah, I wish you'd do that or whatever It's I mean, he's a friend. He's a senior high school. So he's a good This kid is like every bit of a junior college dream and I mean for

Naki (01:03:56.908)
Yep.

Naki (01:04:08.09)
Yeah.

Naki (01:04:14.746)
Yeah, that's awesome.

Trever McFalls (01:04:16.034)
For you to sit and be able to see the tools that he has to play with right now as a senior, that's where it's exciting to kind of see the projection of what he could do at that next level. And I mean, ultimately it's like, I don't know how long I'm gonna be able to have this kid. He's on the track to where like, he'll be, yeah, he's gonna be a freak, man. I'm really excited about this kid.

Naki (01:04:32.126)
Hopefully.

Naki (01:04:37.818)
Dude, that's wicked, dude. Viliami I'm excited about you too. That's awesome. That's way awesome. Let me, okay, who do you want to go next?

Trever McFalls (01:04:45.346)
I mean, just...

Let's go. There's a little switch up on on the kind of the type of kid. So Damien Nelson. Let's go with him. Another offensive lineman. Big kid from Grantsville, Utah. Just.

Naki (01:04:57.466)
Damien Nelson. Okay.

Naki (01:05:02.86)
Grantsville shout I was just on a phone call with their athletic director the other day. I'm pulling up the wrong Damien Nelson. Give me a second.

Trever McFalls (01:05:07.298)
No, man. It's a great little city. They've had a good tradition there of football for a long time and they play really good football. Ultimately, it's just tough, grind it out. It's not going to be the prettiest or the sexiest version of football that you're going to see. But for me as an offensive line coach, I don't care. I love to see this kid bend. And you see this kid, and just to give you reference.

Naki (01:05:26.906)
Yeah.

I love it.

Trever McFalls (01:05:36.162)
I think he is, oh yeah, it's got a list at 6 '8". I would say like, if he's not 6 '8", he's 6 '7", and scratching at 6 '8", because I had him out on a visit with me, and he was, I mean, you know, he was...

Naki (01:05:39.896)
Yeah, holy cano six eight what?

Naki (01:05:47.546)
bro okay grant yeah you're six five now you're six five now so that's a that's high okay hold on give me one second give me give me one second i gotta take care of this i'll be right back

Trever McFalls (01:05:56.802)
Yeah, he was above me for sure.

No worries.

Naki (01:06:09.644)
Man, I don't know if you could hear that but I had a dog scratching out the door, dude

Trever McFalls (01:06:14.338)
Oh, I couldn't really hear it, but then, or I guess I didn't even really notice what it was, I guess. But, oh yeah.

Naki (01:06:20.922)
You're good. Sorry, man. I was like, gosh dang it. I open the door and she doesn't want to come in. I'm like, dude, this is my life. But what's crazy about this dude is this kids say 6'8" 270. I was laughing because I'm like, man, Grantsville High School. I don't know what you're feeding these kids. But whatever is happening out there in Tuala is legit. Now I'm gonna have to skip all these ads. But come on now.

Trever McFalls (01:06:28.706)
That's how my dog is.

Trever McFalls (01:06:41.986)
Alright.

Naki (01:06:50.682)
Alright, here we go. Let's check this dude out.

Trever McFalls (01:06:53.858)
Oh yeah. So I mean, the biggest things that stick out to me is for a guy that's six, eight, six, seven, somewhere in that frame, looking and bend. Like that's where like he's able to get down into a stance. He's able to move his feet. He's able to transition. He's able to great good posture from that position. And like, I mean, at the end of the day, um, you know, you have to think about the way they're playing football. You have to think about.

Naki (01:07:01.346)
Ooh!

Naki (01:07:05.25)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:07:20.77)
their scheme, you have to think about the way they're being taught to play football. So, you know, for me to see the athletic ability to that, I mean, this kid's pulling off the edge, this kid's setting, this kid's, I mean, moving in wide zone, he's, you know, he's doing different things in the way of showing his athleticism as a big tall guy. He shows his ability to run a combo in that. That's where like, he understands the things that I'm asking him to do right there. He was a fullback. So I mean,

Naki (01:07:48.632)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:07:49.186)
for a 6 '8 fullback. Bringing fullback into football, that's amazing.

Naki (01:07:51.994)
I wanna see that again. Look at that.

Trever McFalls (01:07:55.894)
Yeah, man, he's that guy right there in the backfield in that offset position.

Naki (01:07:58.822)
Dude, I will say and this this for me too, because I so when you're that big, there's another guy I think of that I played with his name is Bryce Bryce Walker. And Bryce Walker was ginormous. He's probably 6768 as well. But when you're that tall, it can be very difficult to move. I can be very difficult to like and

I will say I'm impressed with this kid's movement, man. Like for being that tall and being able to move that fluid is really unique.

Trever McFalls (01:08:29.57)
Oh yeah, and like -

Trever McFalls (01:08:33.538)
Sometimes, I mean, that's the thing is like the taller you get and like the less you bend, the less you're going to be able to bend. And so like, it's harder to get out of lower positions. You're not as twitchy. You're not able to like flexibly get into an athletic position. And, you know, a lot of the times that's like where for me, I'll look more at those things and like those tools that I can work with and I can mold into my ways of teaching offensive line and.

Naki (01:08:41.818)
Yeah.

Naki (01:08:47.096)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (01:09:03.298)
the technical aspect that I teach and all the things. I mean, there's not a lot of people that teach what I'm teaching in offensive line room in my opinion, and especially in high school ranks. So it's like, I know I'm gonna have to mold them anyways. I know I'm gonna have to teach them and I know I'm gonna have to develop them. I plan on it and I really want to develop them. But that's where if you give me a slate of tools that I can work with and the athletic ability and the -

Naki (01:09:16.696)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:09:29.602)
the drive, the want to, the nastiness, the physicality that, you know, I can see this kid wants to be physical. I can tell he's going to go and put his hands on somebody and he's not going to stop running his feet until they're driven into the ground. You know what I mean? And, and that's like where, you know,

Naki (01:09:31.032)
Yep.

Naki (01:09:42.81)
Dude, look at that one, bro. That's a savvy play. Sorry, I didn't mean to do that.

Trever McFalls (01:09:47.618)
I just, oh no, you're good. That's where I just, that's where like being able to kind of have, yeah, like the cerebral aspect of like what you're doing on the football field and like picking up a free player. And you know, that's like, just those things is for me, it's, it's the excitement that I have in being able to develop this kid is, I mean, I think he has a very, very high ceiling.

Naki (01:09:57.346)
Yeah.

Naki (01:10:07.544)
That's cool.

Damien, let's go man. The expectations high brother. You better ball out. No, I love that dude. He looks that last play where it was like it was obvious twist, right? It was almost like a tackle pull and he drilled up like little trap play. I was like, that was awesome. Picked it up. Perfect. I mean, all right. All right. I don't know how I could do this all day, bro. I could do this all day.

Trever McFalls (01:10:15.114)
Yes, sir.

Trever McFalls (01:10:23.33)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:10:33.226)
Oh man, I can I can as well. Trust me. Let's uh another guy that let's we'll bump over. Um let's go to the defensive side. So one guy that I had a good relationship with through the recruiting process and I think is going to be a freak. I just I mean I feel very very lucky that we signed into our class is Mataira Brown from Pleasant Grove, Utah.

Naki (01:10:55.194)
Yeah. Okay, bro. Hear me out for a second. So if you go back in my reels, bro, I had a chance to go so my nephew plays at Pleasant Grove High School to his names to Wolfgram and he's committed to BYU for baseball. We kind of had this conversation. But so I'm going to watch my nephew play. And and while I'm there, I'm like, who the crap is this edge player? Like, who is this kid?

Trever McFalls (01:11:00.146)
Man.

Trever McFalls (01:11:09.92)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:11:20.802)
Oh, dude.

Naki (01:11:22.522)
So hold on, I'm with you, bro, 100%. And when I, you know, when I saw this on your list, I was like, dude, this guy's a baller.

Trever McFalls (01:11:29.442)
Yeah, and you'll see this clip that I'm referring to on the film that you're about to pull up. So I'm standing there on the sideline in this game, and I think it's the first round of the playoffs maybe. And they have, I can't remember who it was that they're playing. Oh no, Harriman, that's who it was. They have this really athletic little quarterback, and he goes and takes off off of the other side to the boundary.

Naki (01:11:36.41)
Yeah.

Naki (01:11:50.138)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:11:56.61)
Away from the tire. So my tire is dropping off to the flat. I from what I remember and he goes, the quarterback goes, it takes off off to the boundary away from him and he gets by the corner and starts to head up the sideline and it's like clear as day touchdown and there comes my tire just bold dude, like dead sprint and chases this little scrambling. I mean, freak athlete quarterback down as a monster backer edge guy that like.

Naki (01:12:25.664)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:12:27.33)
I mean, you'll see it when you get it up, but it was, that was where I was like, okay, yeah, we need to get this kid on our football team if we get a chance. And I mean, going in.

Naki (01:12:37.082)
Oh man, I'm having, I want to see this kid. I'm having loading errors. Give me one second. Senior season highlights. That's the one. That's the one that you've been, okay. I think this one, this one should work. This one should work. Hold up. But I'm with you though. So like one of the plays that I watched too, they were playing Lehigh, which Lehigh is, I mean, that's a great team, phenomenal team. PG had their own phenomenal team all season. However, I was watching, Oh dude, it's not loading, but I was watching him play in this game, watching him.

Trever McFalls (01:12:42.818)
You're good, no worries.

Trever McFalls (01:12:59.522)
Oh man.

Naki (01:13:07.546)
chase down like a stretch play from the backside. And I was like, that's effort man. Like that is like who who wouldn't want that on there. But he has like the measurables for it too. He looks fantastic.

Trever McFalls (01:13:15.17)
Oh yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:13:22.306)
That's what I mean when I saw him in person standing next to him. That's like what I like to do. That's why I really like to go see the kid in person and all those types of things is see the interactions on the sidelines. See, I like to go and I'll get as close as I can to him because I want to go and measure up next to him. And like I want to go feel what they feel like next to me as a football player and their presence as a football player. And like, I mean, I want to hear what they're saying. I want to hear, I want to know who they are as a football player. Like if they're...

Naki (01:13:41.804)
Yep. Yep.

Trever McFalls (01:13:51.234)
in it to be a team guy or if they're just, you know, if they're a me guy and that's all they care about is that on the sideline. That's where like I just, a lot of kids turn me off in that way of even if they're a good player, it's like, man, I don't want to have to deal with you and like babysit you on the sideline to get you to play hard, man. Like, because effort is always over the, I mean, everything else, man. But yeah, like, I mean,

Naki (01:13:56.204)
Yep.

Naki (01:14:09.114)
Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

Naki (01:14:16.058)
Dude, look at this kid. This kid fits the bill, man. He's just... great technique on that, dude.

Trever McFalls (01:14:23.49)
And like to see the versatility that he's got from the different position that he's playing and like he's dropping off into the flats, he's rushing off the edge, he's playing into the box. He's, I mean, he shows the ability to put his hand in the ground. He shows his ability to go and play athletically against us. And another like edge type player off the, you know, a tight end or someone like that running back out of the back shield. He can cover those guys into the flats. That's where like,

Naki (01:14:42.426)
Yeah.

Naki (01:14:47.738)
That's a Villami kid too, man. Those guys are going square up in this game. It's cool.

Trever McFalls (01:14:52.95)
I know it man, these dudes battled, I think they battled twice this year. I want to say they battled in the regular season and I think, yeah, yep.

Naki (01:14:57.562)
Yeah, dude, yeah, it was wild.

Naki (01:15:03.354)
to look at, yeah. He just, dude, I just remember looking at him like, dude, he has a size, he has a length.

Trever McFalls (01:15:09.698)
And like, if you look at his arms, dude, like that's like, he's got the build and every bit of what you want from that type of backer. And like, man, he, like when I'm, when I'm sitting here thinking about snow college and I'm sitting here thinking about the, the great defensive players that have came through. And I mean, there's a great deal of Polynesian families that have came through. And I mean, it's like, that's kind of my mindset of like,

Naki (01:15:27.322)
Yeah.

Naki (01:15:32.376)
Yeah, a pipeline down there for sure. Yep.

Trever McFalls (01:15:38.146)
Man, this kid is going to fit the mold of like exactly what these kids come in and do as these freak. Athletes, you know into that. I mean, and you know, I just said the Polynesian thing because there's so many successful guys from that defensive and linebacker edge type position that have came through snow. You know with that background and you know this it's just you know for me it's a a home run hit for you know what we look for in this type of kid and.

Naki (01:15:41.786)
Yeah.

Naki (01:15:53.402)
Yeah, that's it.

Trever McFalls (01:16:06.914)
this type of accrued.

Naki (01:16:08.73)
It's phenomenal. I was just looking at that play like in three times because I was like, dude, look at this. So he gets off the chip from the receiver. He gets off of this little chip box from the receiver. He avoids the alignment and makes the play. He was like, bro, come on. Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:16:25.504)
And the vision too, because like starting out on the offensive line or starting out in the line of scrimmage and having your vision in the backfield and then having to switch your vision out to like essentially where you're dropping to and still athletically make a play like that. Like, can't do those. Those are the things like the intangibles that, you know, in my opinion, show you the potential of, you know, this kid can do something special on the football field.

Naki (01:16:40.954)
That's big time, bro.

Naki (01:16:46.648)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's phenomenal, man. That's great, dude. You guys learned some dogs. Dude, let's do, I'm like keeping you way too late, but I can do this. Like I said, let's do one more. Let's do one more, one more.

Trever McFalls (01:16:59.586)
Die.

Who you are offense defense, but I mean.

Naki (01:17:04.57)
Let's do a, oh man, where do I want to start? Hold on, let's see. Let's do, I'm gonna go through your list here. Let's do, let's do, how involved are you with the, oh, let's, I guess, man, maybe two more. No, I'm just kidding. The, the unga kiv at a tip view.

Trever McFalls (01:17:13.954)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:17:25.986)
Oh yeah, uh, Whitley. Yes, sir. Yep. That's my guy. He, uh, he's, he's going to be coming out after a, uh, he's going to serve a two year mission and then he's going to come back and join us. Um, but man, he is, I mean, I was talking about violence, like this kid's fun to watch. He, and like just every bit of it, not really like the, I went walking into school visit and he comes walking up to me and I'm like,

Naki (01:17:28.282)
Yeah, Whitley. Okay, all right.

Naki (01:17:39.17)
Awesome.

Naki (01:17:45.178)
Yeah.

633 bro, yeah, okay.

Trever McFalls (01:17:55.746)
Dude, what in the world? What did you, what have you been eating? Like what did you, where you been hiding? I mean, there's a reason why they're the state champs, right? That's like, I mean, there's a reason why they had the success they had this year. In my opinion, it always starts up front and you know, for a kid like him to be anchoring the offensive line and then, I mean, he played defensive line as well through his career there. And you know, this kid, I mean, you speak about a last name, that's.

Naki (01:17:57.132)
Hahaha!

Naki (01:18:07.02)
Yeah.

Naki (01:18:19.898)
Yeah.

Naki (01:18:23.514)
That's a big name.

Trever McFalls (01:18:23.682)
That's the last name that you can live on through Snow College. You know what I mean? So.

Naki (01:18:27.194)
That's a big name for sure. Hey, he looks good, dude. Jeez oh wees.

Trever McFalls (01:18:30.53)
And like for a big man to be moving athletically like that, dude.

Naki (01:18:36.378)
This is a playoff game or a state championship game? I can't see who they're playing.

Trever McFalls (01:18:41.314)
I believe that was the playoff because the state championship was the night game that they won. So I want to say that was the playoff or like the semis and then the state game was against Bountiful. And it was the evening game.

Naki (01:18:57.144)
Yeah, look at that upper body strength, dude. Just tear dudes down like that, bro.

Trever McFalls (01:19:03.234)
Well, and like the, I mean, the ability to transition as a big dude like that, sometimes guys get stuck in blocks and like, if they have bad posture, if they're leaning, or if they're using the wrong parts of their body to create movement, they're gonna fall off or they're not gonna be able to transition from like, in a, in a pass off in the twist, you have to be able to have good posture and you have to be able to have strike control. And like, I mean, there's just, there's different things that like, and set proper postures that, you know, this kid has just naturally.

Naki (01:19:07.254)
Yep.

Naki (01:19:23.544)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (01:19:33.346)
That's where like, I mean, there's things about, some of it is a little bit too far over his toes sometimes here and there. But I mean, with that too, being a big strong guy, you kind of get in the habit of doing that a little bit easily because you're able to do it for so long. But that's where like being able to see the difference in how he plays. I mean, I'm not expecting the kid to be perfect on his film or in the way of technique, but the effort that his ability to.

Naki (01:19:49.082)
Yep.

Trever McFalls (01:20:01.312)
you know, get in and out of blocks, his ability to bend. That's, I mean, you keep hearing that word from me, but like, he's gotta be able to bend. He's gotta be able to get in and out of his stance and be twitchy coming out of it.

Naki (01:20:07.77)
Yeah, gotta be able to bend. If you're too stiff, it ain't gonna work out, man. So I get it. Let's see. All right, let's go. Last one. I would like to see, let's try it more like a skill player.

Trever McFalls (01:20:24.29)
Okay, let's go. Now you're good. I'm gonna pull our list over so I can look at these names and let's see, let's go.

Naki (01:20:26.17)
I know it's hard, dude, because you love all these guys, but I'm...

Trever McFalls (01:20:43.682)
So I would say... Actually, sorry.

Naki (01:20:53.69)
Dude, I'm just blown away.

Trever McFalls (01:20:54.754)
Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Dayquan Snyder running back from Roy High School.

Naki (01:21:00.09)
Alright.

Oh yeah, we talked about him. Okay.

Trever McFalls (01:21:06.016)
And then I got the last one to finish off with. Cuz we got one more after him that I gotta throw back in there because he's actually not even on that list. And so it's a little announcement that I'll make. Well, I mean, we announced him, but yeah, he's not on that list. So for you, I'll tell you.

Naki (01:21:10.826)
Alright, I'm done. I'm down. I'm down.

Naki (01:21:18.01)
Oh really? Okay.

Naki (01:21:26.01)
Alright, down. Alright, you already know I'm down for that. Okay, let's see. Hold up, I can't find him. Give me a second.

Trever McFalls (01:21:32.802)
So it's, yeah, D -A -E -Q -W -A -N, a little bit unique in the way it's spelled.

Naki (01:21:38.554)
Okay, yeah, I got no I got that one, but maybe I spelled the last name wrong. Oh, yeah, I put I put I put a I my bad day Kwan if you're watching. There you are. Okay.

Trever McFalls (01:21:42.754)
uh... SNIDER.

Naki (01:21:53.408)
Roy Utah, Roy Royals baby. Okay. So I see Junior. Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:21:56.93)
And I mean, there's a consistent theme. There's a consistent theme in there to where, I mean, like I was saying, our philosophy is start in and work out. I mean, in my opinion, we won the state. And so that's where like, you have to, you have to stay in and then work out. And I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying that in the way of like the guys that we got out of state are freaks. Like I'm so excited about those kids as well. But I mean, ultimately, if you're not recruiting your state,

Naki (01:22:10.49)
I'm with it, bro.

Naki (01:22:19.448)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:22:25.922)
You're in a bad bad spot, I think Learn how to

Naki (01:22:26.938)
What are you doing? You gotta get this in -state support, bro. Ooh!

Trever McFalls (01:22:35.872)
Yep, this kid is wiggly. He, uh...

Naki (01:22:38.25)
Wow.

Okay, I'm almost sold on play one.

Trever McFalls (01:22:46.018)
Yeah, man, I mean, and then sitting out there in the slot position, we know he can catch the football. We know he can be special with the ball in his hand from there. And that's like showing the versatility as an offensive player to where like you can have, you know, you can have a kid go in line up in five wide and be a running back and still be extremely effective.

Naki (01:22:58.156)
Yep.

Naki (01:23:07.514)
So watch this. So here he is, number four. One, two, three, four, five defenders to beat.

Oh, six, seven, because the defensive end almost caught him too. And that back, so he slipped all of them. That's wild. OK, this guy's got some juice. He's got some speed, man.

Trever McFalls (01:23:20.322)
Yeah. Slippery.

Trever McFalls (01:23:28.618)
Yep. And then I mean that right there, the physicality, like.

Naki (01:23:32.152)
Yeah.

Naki (01:23:36.026)
I should probably, if you're listening on bro, I should probably be more descriptive with some of these plays, but you just gotta go watch it. Cause these kids are just falling out and you get, yeah. Well, here's the thing, man. It's like, this is phenomenal. Like watching this with you, I'm going to have to do this more often, dude. Cause like you're you breaking it down is like, this is what we're looking for. Like this is your is coming from a college coach guys. Like you're watching what he is watching and how he is breaking it down.

Trever McFalls (01:23:36.45)
Yeah, let's get s -

Trever McFalls (01:23:43.554)
Yeah, just go pull them up.

Trever McFalls (01:23:57.794)
Oh man.

Trever McFalls (01:24:06.178)
And especially like for me as an offensive line guy and like for me thinking about how we're going to block for this guy, I love to see the patience that this kid has to see the ability to like get in and out of his run cuts and like not have to be full speed until he needs to be full speed. And that's where like, I mean, everybody running backs wise, you got like, they have to learn the ability to have patience and have the ability to break their speeds because.

Naki (01:24:10.338)
Yep.

Naki (01:24:15.514)
That's true. I was just.

Naki (01:24:24.642)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:24:33.282)
you have to let the blocks develop in front of you. And so like for this kid to show that as a high school football player and naturally have the ability to manage his way through, tackle the tackle box, it's exciting to see him have the success he's having as a high school player because I think it translates very, very well to the second level and everywhere after that. But now it's just from there, the growth, right?

Naki (01:24:41.164)
Yeah.

Naki (01:24:54.074)
Yep. Do you look at the? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I keep I get like so into these plays, bro. But what this one was stunning to me. So this is designed, which it looks like a gap scheme play, right? So you have offense running like a power type play. And this dude has the patience to wait for his pulling guard, but then also has the vision to see the backside open up.

Oh no, it was too tight end that pulled. Okay. Maybe that was more design, but still though. Yeah. Look at that.

Trever McFalls (01:25:25.89)
Yeah, but still, that's where like -

Trever McFalls (01:25:30.622)
Press the front side and then get into hip position behind the kick out block and then be able to feel it and read it there like I mean and then from there to Running backs you got to just go make plays, right? That's where like it's not always gonna be perfect It's never gonna be blocked the right way and it's I mean if it's gonna be a chalkboard then yeah It's gonna look great. But then from there it's gonna look a lot different and you know It's it's a running backs opportunity to go and show his unique skill set in that type of frame And you know, that's where like you set them up with the rate

Naki (01:25:33.462)
Yep.

Naki (01:25:41.506)
Yep.

Naki (01:25:57.368)
Deez.

Trever McFalls (01:25:59.554)
with a great block, but then from there, it's their job to go be an athlete.

Naki (01:26:04.226)
Yep. Look at that. Look at that. Wow.

Trever McFalls (01:26:08.002)
running stretch, like that's where like you can see the versatility going from, you know, tackle the tackled. Then also you can run stretch. He has the ability to be patient through that. He can run a gap scheme. He can run zone scheme. It's like, you know, you want to see those types of things. You want to see the ability to be in a lot of different spots in an offense because, you know, coming in, you have a lot of projection to where you can have a lot of things do or like a lot of things ahead of you to give you success, right? You're not.

Naki (01:26:36.92)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:26:37.25)
pigeon -holed into just, I mean, he's only good at running power. And so we can only give him the reps in power. And now you only get five carries, you know, through the day. And instead, now we can put you in the slot. Now we can put you stacked. Now we can put you as a blocker. Now we can make sure that we rely on you as a pass protector. Like, I mean, all of those things.

Naki (01:26:47.064)
Yep.

Naki (01:26:57.614)
I love it. Here's my question. The only thing I don't see on this film, which you guys have, I guarantee you evaluated it because all the highlights are more running, which obviously is running back, but catching the ball.

Trever McFalls (01:27:11.97)
So, play two, that was like the one where he lined up as a slot player. And I mean, there's a little bit, I wanna say there's like...

Naki (01:27:15.162)
That's true. That's true.

Look at you, bro. Hold on. Look, I want you. This is how many times he's watched this film. He knows exactly what it was. That is awesome. That is hilarious.

Trever McFalls (01:27:24.802)
Yeah

Trever McFalls (01:27:28.45)
And I want to say he actually has videos posted of stuff outside of camps. And I want to say those types of things, those situations. I want to say we've seen other plays. And I know that it's probably sprinkled throughout the rest of this film, as well as younger junior films as well. You can see him getting his hands on the ball in different ways.

Naki (01:27:42.434)
Yep.

Naki (01:27:49.914)
It is.

Yeah.

Naki (01:27:56.698)
Dude, and the only reason I say that is because like from a running back perspective, right? Whether it be just like a quick little scat out or whatever, you're ditching the ball to him. I saw, I saw a couple of those, uh, just by watching this film, but I look at it and Mike did, I mean, he's in my mind. I'm like, if he can catch downfield, I mean, dude, he's just as versatile as putting him in a slot position. Mike, you can throw him out there and he'll kill it.

Trever McFalls (01:28:17.632)
Exactly. And then you can run the screen game with him. I mean, every bit of it's, the world is open for that type of kid.

Naki (01:28:24.41)
That's cool. Dude, these are phenomenal. Okay. All right. All right. You got, I want to hear this one.

Trever McFalls (01:28:28.928)
Alright, last one. Last one, I'll tell ya. Okay, East High School, a little leopard, Damien Otokolu.

Naki (01:28:35.002)
Okay.

Naki (01:28:38.81)
I know that name.

Trever McFalls (01:28:40.618)
Man, this kid is fun to watch play football.

Naki (01:28:46.81)
Wow, okay, so you're telling me, so this is a late one.

Trever McFalls (01:28:51.202)
Late, yeah, he, I mean, he's a very quiet kid and like a very quiet in the way of recruiting and he kind of just, I mean, he stayed to himself. We had a really good personal relationship with the guy on the staff that he had with Damian. And so, you know, that was able to help us out quite a bit in the way of getting him. But I mean, Coach Pulo, Coach Jordan Pulo, our defensive coordinator was like, he made sure that this guy was on our team. That was where like, I mean,

He watched this kid play football and was like, dude, this is the kid that needs to play football for Snow College. Like there's no doubt about this kid. I mean, every single thing about what he can do on the field is, I mean, it's, it's he, he wasn't even fighting for his side of the ball. That's where like, he just said, whatever he does, let's get him out here. And you know, that was, he was a big advocate for him, but oh man, and he'll do it all. He will come out and do it all for us. So.

Naki (01:29:40.41)
That's what we call an athlete. An athlete, yeah. Yeah. Dude, that first one was insane. That first one was insane what he just did.

Trever McFalls (01:29:53.1)
Dude, just, I mean, some of the stuff that he is able to do, like the athleticism, the speed, the vision, that, look at that, dude. Like, this is fun. This is fun football right there.

Naki (01:29:59.898)
Yeah, that's insane. That's insane.

That's how you like the game. That's that's how you want to see someone run the ball, dude. That is insane.

Trever McFalls (01:30:13.132)
And I mean, offense, defense, offense, defense, special teams. It's like, I mean, it's like that booby mouse quote, and he can pass.

Naki (01:30:13.432)
That Yak.

Naki (01:30:23.854)
Versatility is insane. Dude, I love this kid. You telling me you guys landed this dude? When did you get him?

Trever McFalls (01:30:31.104)
I mean, we ended up signing him like the day after signing day and a little bit of that is kind of just more so like getting lost in the recruits that we have through signing that we should have had him signed. But I mean, he's a punter right there, dude. Like that's where I mean, he doesn't he's not punting but.

Naki (01:30:44.282)
Yeah. Yeah.

She's looking to run it though. Look at it go. You know, because back there, like you should have known defense. Come on. He ain't going to re he ain't going to kick that ball. Look at that. Oh wow. Look at that breakaway. Boom. Geez. That's awesome. That's three tackles broken and Mike without like very little effort. I felt like.

Trever McFalls (01:30:57.794)
That's a little obvious, yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:31:04.258)
But like running screen game, just, I mean, look at this kid, dude.

Trever McFalls (01:31:17.792)
Oh dude, yeah. And then, bang! And then he can, like, and then, you know, he loves playing football, you can tell.

Naki (01:31:18.914)
Cheers.

Naki (01:31:24.858)
Yeah, like I said, I think that's what's fun about it is that you can actually see that he enjoys playing like he's having fun like.

Trever McFalls (01:31:32.802)
Yeah, and the joy that he brings to the game is the energy that you can see that he just, I mean, I bet he's a fun teammate. You know what I mean? I bet he's a kid that's very energetic and exciting to be around. And that's what I hear from Coach Maddich and that's where from everything we've seen of him, he's gonna be.

Naki (01:31:42.746)
Yeah, for sure.

Naki (01:31:56.666)
Coach Maddich, man, I haven't heard that name in a minute. That's a great coach right there, Coach Maddich, man.

Trever McFalls (01:32:01.154)
Yeah, he's a great, he's been a great guy with me too. I've gotten a lot of recruits from him and we've got a good relationship. He's been awesome. I got to tackle from there that, oh man, I'm excited about, man.

Naki (01:32:14.298)
I know I saw I saw him on the list too, bro. Like I said, we could do this all night. But dude, I see I told you these podcasts go way too long, bro.

Trever McFalls (01:32:18.934)
I know man. Yeah, that's how it's supposed to go though, right? I mean, this is the right way.

Naki (01:32:26.266)
This is awesome. Dude, I love this kid. Good pick up, man. Jeez Louise. I'm gonna sit. Ah, this kid go man, it's endless.

Trever McFalls (01:32:32.45)
I'm happy I saved that surprise.

Trever McFalls (01:32:39.042)
Like just, yeah, you can see that. I mean, he's out there playing Madden with himself. Like.

Naki (01:32:44.812)
Yeah, bring in. I mean, look at these like just interceptions that I think that's like the second or third one I've watched. Geez Louise, I love it. Well done. Bravo Snow. You guys killed it.

Trever McFalls (01:32:50.464)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:32:58.114)
Yes sir, yeah the staff is awesome. We did a great job this year. Like I said, I think we won the city of Utah in a great way. These kids are going to come in and show.

Naki (01:33:08.314)
Yeah, do it bro. You wear that on your chest dog. Like I would argue that you guys, you're, listen, you're competing, right? It's a whole different level of those games, but dude, these kids are great. And I think you guys, it's going to be fun watching you guys play, bro. It's going to be really fun watching you guys play.

Trever McFalls (01:33:25.57)
And to have the success from the state itself is, I mean, it's fun to represent the state in the way of, I mean, recruiting in the way of like football representation just from the state itself. Utah has grown so much. And I mean, I have a lot of pride because I played here. I've coached here, all these things. Like, I mean, it's funny when the staff listens to this, they're going to laugh about this and I'm bringing it up. But I saw a stat that, that there was like,

Naki (01:33:32.506)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:33:55.266)
I think Utah was the sixth highest state in the NFL with players per team. So like, I think it was like, there was like five Southern States and then Utah. And so it's like, I mean, you know, for, for the, the skill level to be what it is in the state and the competitiveness and our ability to play football, the kids in the state are, I mean, they're real football players and they're going out every different area of

Naki (01:34:00.282)
Oh yeah, yep, I've seen that.

Naki (01:34:08.93)
Yep, I see that.

Trever McFalls (01:34:23.202)
nation and showing that at every level. You know what I mean?

Naki (01:34:25.978)
That's fair. There's a bunch of them out there. I mean, shoot, the quarterbacks alone, Jackson Dart, I mean, he's killing out there Ole Miss. I mean, yeah, I can go on for days about Mason, Cobb out there, USC. I mean, talk about, I mean, even guys at Halote Ngata, like, I mean, I can keep going for days, dude, naming names of Matt Asiyada, all these guys that you talk kids ties, man. So yeah, I mean, keep going. Let me go all day.

Trever McFalls (01:34:41.794)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:34:48.578)
Yeah.

Zach Wilson, I mean, you know, like exactly just, I mean, that's where like, and the names relieving out of there just, I mean, Mount Rushmore, you know what I mean? So.

Naki (01:34:55.738)
I really could.

Naki (01:35:00.92)
I was saying, like, yeah, that's awesome, dude. I, yeah, I appreciate you doing this for a long time. I didn't like I said, I never intend for it to go this long. I always feel bad. But I'm also like, it's too good not to. I love that. Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:35:18.09)
Oh man, I'll be back anytime you want me. I mean, this is fun for me. This is the stuff that's like, you know, I have a lot of joy in this. So anytime, man.

Naki (01:35:28.314)
Well, dude, I love that and I'm probably gonna take you up on it. Last thing I'm gonna ask you to do just and there's already been so much shared dude is phenomenal from personal stories to the recruiting aspect of it on that side. But last piece of advice on your way out that you give to recruits going through that grind right now.

Trever McFalls (01:35:48.666)
Just I mean be patient one then also to Find what you really want out of this thing and then go attack it with your own Personal drive to where like you control your future you control what you want from this thing you control those things You can't control what happens to you in this process or like who's recruiting you or any of those types of things? But you can control how you handle the process and so that's where like if you want to play high -level football

you have to go and find out what it takes to do that. And then you have to go and dedicate yourself to doing that on a consistent basis. And so that's where like, if you don't know, find out because if you're just, if you're out there swimming and you're just doing things because you think it's right and all those things, there's too much of good football out there and there's too much good technique. There's too much of information out there of like some great opinions that you need to go and find out how to do it, right? You need to go find out the steps of like, I want to play college football.

Okay, well then go and find out how with your school, with your coach, with all these things, and then create a plan. And like we were talking about earlier, the earlier the better, right? And I mean, some of it's a little bit overkill. Like if you're not in high school yet, just grow up, like play football, have some fun. Like don't think about, like, I don't need 20, 32 recruits right now, right? I don't need like, I don't need you kids that are like in eighth and seventh grade that are like playing junior high football. Go have fun.

Naki (01:36:59.866)
This girl. I love that you said that.

Naki (01:37:07.29)
Hahaha!

Naki (01:37:12.09)
Man.

Trever McFalls (01:37:14.274)
Go enjoy it like I do, right? Go have fun and like go do the things that are fun with your friends and enjoy football and then enjoy the rest of your life too. Because like that's right. If you're going to take this thing seriously and if you're going to do football, you're going to invest and you're going to put every bit of every ounce of energy and time and effort. And I mean, you're going to sacrifice so much relationships wise and everything about that. So go find out what it takes and then dedicate yourself to it. And if you're not willing to dedicate yourself to it, then

Naki (01:37:14.658)
Got a fine, dude.

Trever McFalls (01:37:43.458)
gauge that level properly and then go attack the pursuit that you want. You know what I mean? So it's like, if you see yourself as a division one football player and you think that you can do it and you understand the workload that it takes and all of these things start to add up to you, then you should go and pursue it in that way. Don't talk about it. Don't sit there and act like it. Don't say it sometimes and do it sometimes. And then the other days don't do it. It's like, I mean, that's what it takes. And so, you know what I mean? Go and find out what it takes and then attack it.

Naki (01:37:48.536)
Yeah, I love it.

Trever McFalls (01:38:12.518)
every bit with every day you have.

Naki (01:38:14.97)
Boom. Done. I love it, bro. I'm all jazzed up now too. I'm going to hit the weight room, dude. Come on. Trevor McFalls, everybody. Oh dude, I love it. I appreciate it. Yeah, we're going to have to, we might have to run this back again, dude. Cause that was, that was actually a lot of fun. I'll give it, I could have watched a clip after clip of all these recruits. So dude, big time. I love it. Well,

Trever McFalls (01:38:20.322)
Yeah, man. Yes, sir. I will try again. I'll try it, baby. Yeah, man.

Trever McFalls (01:38:36.322)
Yeah.

Trever McFalls (01:38:40.8)
Me too man, it was fun.

Naki (01:38:44.666)
I appreciate you. I'm a I'm a cut right there. But dude, you rock big time.

Trever McFalls (01:38:50.21)
Thank you, I appreciate you so much. I appreciate this platform and I mean, anybody that's watching this thing, take it for what it is because it's a lot of information from a lot of different really good coaches and my guy, Naki is doing the right thing and doing it the right way. So I appreciate you and yeah, like I said, anytime.

Naki (01:39:05.626)
That's right.

Big stuff, dude. Appreciate it.